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In a message dated 8/15/06 9:20:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, repete@telusplanet.net writes: << Hi all: I've been subscribed for awhile now, just never posted before. I think I'm doing it properly. Let me know if I'm not. My first car, at 16, was a '65 Beetle and I have had at least 1 air cooled VW in the yard ever since. I am now 50 and working on my first Type 3. YeeeeeeHaaaawwwww I bought a '64/'69 butchered Squareback. The pan and most of the body is '69. Front fender's and gas tank as well as the interior are '64. Anybody know what the body alone weighs? Wanting to know if my 2000 lb. capacity engine hoist will lift it off the pan. It is stripped, no doors/trunk lid/gas tank/rear hatch/glass/fenders or interior panels. All hints/tips or leads to parts or websites of interest will be greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking >> Welcome aboard. The entire car completely together weighs about 2200 lbs, like Dave mentioned. Once you've got the glass, the doors, the fenders,and the trunk lid, the rear hatch off, you've dropped quite a bit less than the shell would be with everything on. If I had to make a guess, I'd say the bare shell weighs about 6 to 700 lbs. I've pulled the body off the pan with the glass and doors still on using the reinforced rafters in my garge (set up as a 3 point lift). Using an engine lifter to pull the body off may give you some trouble trying to clear the feet / legs. If you can get a helper for 1/2 an hour, it'll go a lot easier. : ) It is very doable though. Good luck with your project, and welcome again to the list. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof and IRS (Krusty) 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 and now running the old Notch motor with D-jet FI . : ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~