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ok, i tried the spark thing, and got great sparks. In fact, the car almost started! Then I reattached the wires and the car did start! WHAT is going on? I checked the battery and it looked clean with good connections. All the relay terminals were tight. I was also able to look under the car and see that the connections to the fuel pump were OK. puzzled in Berkeley -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ "I wrestled with reality for 36 years, and I'm happy to say that I finally won out over it." ---Elwood P. Dowd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~