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>>...with white piping? or would that be going too far with the math? actually, doesn't white stuff on seats usually get black scuff marks from shoes, etc? maybe black piping? or would that look too batman? also, if the red isn't perfect, but it's close, does it still work?<< Hmm. I guess white piping if you want to look preppy. I would use gray though to highlight the gray/red contrast. I would look for a red that's a little darker than the car. Might be a little too gaudy if it's lighter. Mine has (had?) the white interior so if I can scrounge up enough $$ I want to do my front seats in white/red. I hope the original-look police don't come after me for saying that. ;) Right now the driver seat has VERY good ventilation in the bottom. The car came to me with a red bottom for the backseat so whatever I do will look a little funky. I would say this is all just my $0.02 worth, but it's probably closer to a cent and a half. Tony '70 Clementine Fasty '72 Texas Yellow Sqbk (donating parts) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~