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<x-flowed> Thanks for all the emails
please remove me from the mailing list,
as i no longer own my T3
From: type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Reply-To: type3-d@vwtype3.org To: type3-d@vwtype3.org Subject: type3-d Digest V2005 #12 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 05:00:07 -0800 (PST)
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type3-d Digest Volume 2005 : Issue 12
Today's Topics:
Re: [T3] 06 invasion [ Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> ]
Re: [T3] AT rebuild [ Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> ]
Re: [T3] Backfire, no start [ "Dave Hall" <dave@hallvw.clara.co.u ]
Re: [T3] Backfire, no start [ "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycap.rr.com ]
Re: [T3] 06 invasion [ "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycap.rr.com ]
Re: [T3] Steering Wheel [ MRSanderson@telus.net ]
Re: [T3] Steering Wheel [ Russ Wolfe <russw@classicvw.org> ]
Re: [T3] AT rebuild [ Greg Merritt <gregm@vwtype3.org> ]
Re: [T3] Backfire, no start [ Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> ]
[T3] Heat Exchangers [ "Terry Cost" <tcost@austin.rr.com> ]
Re: [T3] Heat Exchangers [ "Steven Ayres" <comwest@att.net> ]
[T3] Nothing creates motivation like [ "Mysterious J" <mysteriousj@snet.ne ]
[T3] Fresh air tubes, steel [ Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> ]
Re: [T3] Heat Exchangers [ Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> ]
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 17:20:52 -0600
From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org>
To: type3@vwtype3.org
Subject: Re: [T3] 06 invasion
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On 6 Jan 2005 at 19:36, Keith Park wrote:
> Reserve one Type 3 for rental please :)
Huh? Won't you be driving with the rest of us?
-- ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA *******************************
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On 6 Jan 2005 at 19:55, Russ Wolfe wrote:
> The Converter is actually a large centrifuge. Any junk that goes into > it is thrown to the outside and lodges there. When they rebuild them, > they cut the weld for the 2 halves and open it up. They then clean > everything out, and replace any worn bushings.
I think there are some TCs out there that actually have a drain plug in them,
Mercedes maybe? Sounds like a better and better idea, which I never appreciated
before.
-- ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA *******************************
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:32:55 -0000 From: "Dave Hall" <dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk> To: "type3.org" <type3@vwtype3.org> Subject: Re: [T3] Backfire, no start Message-ID: <005201c4f51c$a29b9090$6300a8c0@dad> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Which part of England do you live in, Aaron? ;-)
It's not raining here, but blowing a gale - rain tomorrow I expect.
Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Clow" <cars@tiserves.com> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [T3] Backfire, no start
> Thanks for all the advice people... Just waiting for a dry day... I think I'm
going to go insane first:
>
> TONIGHT
> MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH RAIN DEVELOPING AFTER MIDNIGHT
>
> SATURDAY
> RAIN.
>
> SATURDAY NIGHT
> MOSTLY CLOUDY IN THE EVENING THEN BECOMING PARTLY CLOUDY.
>
> SUNDAY
> PARTLY CLOUDY.
>
> SUNDAY NIGHT
> PARTLY CLOUDY.
(Gloom for the rest of the week deleted.)
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:43:16 -0500 From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycap.rr.com> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Subject: Re: [T3] Backfire, no start Message-ID: <008701c4f523$6c7f9ea0$a982c318@keithpark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
YOur dry day on Longisland will be Sunday. You warm day next wed or thrus.
You west coasters will dry out in a week or so, and warm up.
*weather weenie status returns to off*
Keith
> Thanks for all the advice people... Just waiting for a dry day... I think
I'm going to go insane first:
>
> TONIGHT
> MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH RAIN DEVELOPING AFTER MIDNIGHT
>
> SATURDAY
> RAIN.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:46:09 -0500 From: "Keith Park" <topnotch@nycap.rr.com> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Subject: Re: [T3] 06 invasion Message-ID: <009101c4f523$d41d7fa0$a982c318@keithpark> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Well, Im not really sure quite yet. I may not have the vacation time in 06 and there is the issue of my car. The Square is almost to 300K and the engine to 100K, the tranney is shot (although it works fine) and the engine is OK but its getting up there. So Ill have to see how things are doing that summer. Im still planning on the 2L T4 motor but it may not be ready in time. I REALLY enjoyed the last trip and definately do want to do it again.
Keith
> On 6 Jan 2005 at 19:36, Keith Park wrote: > > > Reserve one Type 3 for rental please :) > > Huh? Won't you be driving with the rest of us? > > -- > ******************************* > Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, Wisconsin, USA > ******************************* > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:22:52 -0800 From: MRSanderson@telus.net To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] Steering Wheel Message-ID: <1105132972.41defdaca5885@webmail.telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hey guys i was wondering, where can i get a wooden steering wheel that will fit
my 65 notch and how much do you think it would cost? thanks for the help again
Matt Sanderson
PS dad and i worked for a week straight and now have a rolling chassy =), thats
too cool of a feeling. its nice to be able to finally start re-building the car
instead of taking everything apart haha. talk to you guys later have a look at
the site, http://www.hkin.educ.ubc.ca/sanderson/Personal/Notch/mainframeset.htm
Quoting Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org>:
> On 7 Jan 2005 at 0:11, Per Lindgren wrote:
>
> > All, I believe. I know that the wheel from my 73 also fits in my 64 Bug,
> > and I know that the 64 Bug and 64 Type 3 used the same wheel (except for
> > the color), so they all should interchange.
>
> The horn connections changed. Early wheels don't have/need the slip ring
> contact on the underside for the horn. Later ones will probably work just
> fine
> if you don't mind the change in appearance.
>
> --
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 20:20:17 -0600
From: Russ Wolfe <russw@classicvw.org>
To: Type3 <type3@vwtype3.org>
Subject: Re: [T3] Steering Wheel
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On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 15:22, MRSanderson@telus.net wrote:
> hey guys i was wondering, where can i get a wooden steering wheel that will fit
> my 65 notch and how much do you think it would cost? thanks for the help again
>
> Matt Sanderson
>
>
If you find one for a T-1, it is the same for a '65 T-3.
-- Russ Wolfe '71 FB AT '66 FB MT '64 T34 (not running) '65 T1 (not running) russw@classicvw.org http://www.classicvw.org
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Yeah, Brad at Ron's Transaxle indicated that the reason for TC swap was the buildup of internal crud.
-Greg
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On 7 Jan 2005 at 19:07, Aaron Clow wrote:
> Thanks for all the advice people... Just waiting for a dry day... I > think I'm going to go insane first: > > TONIGHT > MOSTLY CLOUDY WITH RAIN DEVELOPING AFTER MIDNIGHT
It snowed here yesterday; a full 10", so things are suddenly very white. I've
worked on cars in both the cold rain and in snow, and I have to admit that cold
rain is worse.
-- ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA *******************************
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 12:35:22 -0600 From: "Terry Cost" <tcost@austin.rr.com> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Subject: [T3] Heat Exchangers Message-ID: <000b01c4f5b0$d0335210$6500a8c0@tinkertoy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Howdy All. I just noticed that the upper heat exchangers that I have don't match. They were on a parts motor that the muffler was almost completely rusted away, so I didn't notice the difference at the time. Measured straight out from the flange where they bolt to the head, one is about 1 1/2 to 2 inches longer. Is this right? Do I have a mismatched pair? I am going to try my hand at removing the stuck threaded connectors where the muffler attaches. It's a nice sunny 46 degrees here in Austin, just right for messin' around in the garage ; ).
Terry Cost Austin, TX '70 and '73 Squares 1968 Datsun 2000 roadster 1986 FJ1200 1980 KZ1000
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TerryC=> one is about 1 1/2 to 2 inches longer. => Is this right?
That's right. The cylinder offset leaves more reach to the muffler on the left.
Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 343
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Getting new parts. The ceramic coated heat exchangers I picked up off eBay
arrived today, and they're mint. I'm getting the unfinished Fastback back
tomorrow morning, and the first thing I'm doing when its warm enough is pull
the motor and bring it down into the rebuild room (okay, my basement). I've
been collecting parts for a couple years now, so the rebuild of the long
block shouldn't take too long. There are some things I'll need to redo,
such as the powder coated tins that I paid too much for only to get them and
find out they were junk. Live and learn.
Jim '68 Fastback "The OTHER Jim"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 21:41:55 -0600 From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: [T3] Fresh air tubes, steel Message-id: <41E053A3.16979.2CF84BC@localhost> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
While looking thru some of the stuff I've got downstairs, I discovered that I
have 2 different kinds of the steel fresh air tubes. These are the ~1" dia
steel tubes which run on each side of the engine and carry fresh air forward to
the hot air mixer boxes.
The 2 kinds differ in the length of the little straps/tabs that they attach
with at their forward end. The late ones have a long strap maybe 2" long, while
the early ones are only about 1/2" long.
I know that these started in early '65 but I don't know when the changeover
occurred. The parts lists that I have are no help, because only the late
versions are shown. The late part numbers are 311 255 327A & 328A. I assume the
early ones are the same without the A.
Can anyone tell me when the changeover occurred?
-- ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA *******************************
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:00:14 -0600 From: Jim Adney <jadney@vwtype3.org> To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] Heat Exchangers Message-id: <41E065FE.17530.317370E@localhost> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body
On 8 Jan 2005 at 12:35, Terry Cost wrote:
> I just noticed that the upper heat exchangers that I have don't match.
> They were on a parts motor that the muffler was almost completely rusted
> away, so I didn't notice the difference at the time. Measured straight out
> from the flange where they bolt to the head, one is about 1 1/2 to 2 inches
> longer. Is this right?
Yes, it's right. They are all like that. It's because the right cylinders are
offset to the rear with respect to the lefts, so the left HE has to be longer
to be able to reach back to where the muffler, since the muffler runs straight
across.
-- ******************************* Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, Wisconsin, USA *******************************
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