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In a message dated 8/22/05 10:14:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, russw@classicvw.org writes: << My '64 has the dual wheel cylinders on the front. The '65 should have them too. There are 2 different styles of dual cylinders on the T-3. And there is a a bulletin on replacing the front master cylinder. I have posted pictures of both styles on my web site, along with the bulletin. http://classicvw.org/gallery/Earlybrakes Note the difference in the arrangement of the line from the one cylinder to the other on the different styles. The later style could cause some problems on bleeding due to the upward route of the line. >> Great pics of the differences. You would have thought VW would have used a second bleeder screw or something with that set up. I agree, the way they looped that connector pipe would create a hard to remove air from air pocket. That's for stepping up to the plate Russ. : ) Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, Formerly a 2 seat Roadster, now a T-3 Heb, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2977 69 Square, currently awaiting a 2.0L t-4 engine transplant ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~