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In a message dated 11/1/04 2:19:44 PM Central Standard Time, rlgreen@industryinet.com writes: << This is a very great group, you will find they tend to not want to modify our cars like you are thinking. More knowlage than any any where else. Try http://volksrods.com for information on a chop top. If you do a non angle chop, you will need a second Type3 roof to do this. They will information as to chopping a top. Good group of guys, with a differnt out on how you could or what you can do with your car. Good luck with your project on what ever you do to the best air cooled VW made. >> Speak for yourself Papa G., as I have a roofless Square, and am a member of VolksRods. : ) Some of us here are darksiders, but not ALL of us. I do agree with the others about cutting up a rare Notch, but if HE really wants to do it, it's his car to do so. My son and I think we could have fixed Lord Vader's car, but he already cut the roof off it and made it his own car. : ) I've seen John's sunroof conversion in person, and it's a beautiful job he did ( I also love the ghost flames). It's also like those of us who convert our swing axle cars over to IRS. It's another modification, and in my case, not easily reversed. It's not stock, and I really don't mind it either, as I built the car to drive, not be a trailer queen. : ) Just my take on it. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square, now a 2 seat Roadster, pics can be seen at; http://volksrods.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~