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> >http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C16%2D113%2D561G > >Although you can probably just scrape the paint off, it doesn't stick very well to that metal. > thanks. yeah, i tried scrapping the paint, but it either dirt or the paint got inside and is locking up the spring mechanism. figured they were cheap new or used, and not worth the time to do much more. Raul Ruiz Assistant Engineer Wastewater Design Section 510.287.1609 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org