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<x-charset utf-7>My two cents: +AD4-doing anything other than stock it seems to be frowned on I have nothing against custom out of principle. I first consider whether the car will perform, last, and look better according to my tastes. All of the examples you cite do not meet these considerations for me. Actually, I don't mind the look of a lowered car, but its not worth that much to me, beside we have cruel potholes here.) +AD4-I think a car is an extension of your personality. So do I. That's why I picked mine. I enjoy the way it was originally designed to look and perform. Its what it is. If you radically alter it for no others purpose than expressing your personality, you could have started with anything. No offense to +ACI-customizers+ACI-, its just not for me. And they seem to really enjoy it. Gary Orange '71 FI AT Sunroof ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org </x-charset>