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Yup, that looks just like here in Michigan, maybe a less than us actually. Keith's car actually looks clean for around my area. I could take some pics of some rusty non-type3s if you'd like, but I'd hate to waste the bandwidth. : ) It's stuff like that that keeps all my type3s off the road from early-mid October to mid April. :( Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 71 Square- now a 2 seat Roadster, under construction. Pictures can be seen here; http://photo.starblvd.net/bobnotch ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org