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A lady from Seattle *really* wanted to replace a section of her pan and said the rust wasn't that bad, even though the battery was resting on a piece of plywood. So Martin asked if I wanted to do it and I agreed. I really wanted pictures because I wanted to see how deep I was getting myself into. He couldn't get any from her but she said it wasn't bad so I agreed. When Martin dropped the car off at my garage this is what I saw: http://www.icbm.org/erkson/temp/digital-pictures/rust_before-1.jpg http://www.icbm.org/erkson/temp/digital-pictures/rust_before-2.jpg Well, 1155 minutes later (about two days...I was being paid by the hour) I had the 'new' section in: http://www.icbm.org/erkson/temp/digital-pictures/rust_after-1.jpg http://www.icbm.org/erkson/temp/digital-pictures/rust_after-2.jpg What a job! Actually, after looking over her pan and seeing the driver side passenger area ready to go, a pan swap would've been a faster and less expensive way to go. Next time... Anyway, lesson learned, never trust what the customer says because they really don't know, nor have the experience, about what body work is needed. Well, I'm happy with the graft and the job is something I am proud of. I know it'll outlast the rest of her pan. Toby Erkson -- air_cooled_nut@pobox.com '72 VW Squareback, '95 VW Jetta, '81 Gold Wing, '73 Porsche 914 http://www.icbm.org/ Portland, Oregon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org