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DaveH=> We have to accept that we're => very much reliant for our safety on the => secondary features such as defensive, => considerate driving and lots of anticipation I heard a news report last week, I think, detailing how many of the features most people think of as making their cars safer really don't. The bottom line is that the safest cars are light and nimble with good brakes. I think my 34 meets those criteria pretty well, and I think any Type 3 with a well maintained suspension is eminently competitive in that area. Snow driving is just one prominent example. By the way, I did that winter trip back East a few years ago on Michelin XZXs, and the margins of many of the routes I traveled were littered with vehicles. Good tires matter, of course, and I wouldn't have minded having snow tires for that, but experience matters more, I think. Somday maybe I'll tell the story of driving the entire state of Indiana north to south on glare ice in a '65 Skylark beater with dead-bald tires. => I wonder if the lack of older cars says more => about greater affluence now Around here it seems to be more about *less* affluence now, as real income continues to slowly fall and the cost of maintaining older cars steadily rises. Kids used to get into VWs because they were cheap. Not anymore, not around here. It might be different if there were more cars from the '70s and '80s worth saving. I expect the current crop of plastic pods won't last much beyond their obsolescence horizons, as most are essentially unrepairable and so many components just too specialized. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 KG1600 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org