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JimA=> everyone "knows" that there are lots of => them out there, but no one has actually seen one. I've seen a diagram in the Haynes manual describing the #3 retard, but I'll chime in with the crowd here and confirm that I haven't seen it on any of the distributors I've run on our machine. And on this tester, a variation of three degrees would be obvious. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 KG1600 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org