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Just for interest I had a similar problem with a '65 non fuel injected. It definitely seemed to be fuel starvation, caused by evaporation from the carbs and siphoning out of the lines. I had already changed all the fuel lines and I cured it by mounting an inline fuel filter vertically on the engine compartment bulkhead, so that the fuel could not siphon back. This helped a lot, although it still needed a bit of cranking to get fuel back in the carbs, but at least it would start before the 6volt battery died. This has worked fine now for several years. Clive Richardson 65 346 66 344 -----Original Message----- From: jason.smith@sarcom.com [mailto:jason.smith@sarcom.com] Sent: 04 November 2003 12:47 To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: RE: [T3] Not starting after long drives > It's probably just the fruits of my sinful life that I seem > to have run into > this a number of times. I always start by replacing all the > hoses anyway, but > this doesn't always fix the problem. I've even tried > replacing the injectors, > thinking that the little valves in there might not be sealing > as well as they > did when they were new, but on that one car it didn't help, > much. My 72 was the > worst, and that's the car I broke down and installed the > pushbutton on. I have had this problem and my 72 was the worst also. Russ might be onto something with the Trigger points idea. Once I would clean the points the problem seemed to get better, but you know how that is, sometimes wearing blue makes problems go away ;) I also have a similar but not the same problem on my 71, it does start it just has a harder time when hot. I did not have it that often with my 69, but it had the bypass switch installed. Funny thing is I don't know how much it has to do with heat. Because often I could drive very far, say a couple of hours and never run into the problem. I would only happen with short dirves for about 15- 20 min. Even though installing the switch seems like a cop out, its better than getting stuck sitting in frustration as the engine turns, draining the battery until you are really stuck (ask me how I know :) I don't think there is anything so frustrating as knowing you have done everything tune-up, replaced the filter and hoses, checked all the wiring etc. And still being afraid to take your baby out for fear that it won't start for no apparent reason!!! Moral of the Story: wear your lucky color and install the switch. Jason Smith 71 Square FI AT Columbus, OH USA http://jasontsmith.tripod.com/vw.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org