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Ok, I did a little more investigating, and found that the 311AE dizzy is a vac advance & retard, so that leaves that one out. Steve says he's running a 205L , this is listed but the numbers for the chart are at distributor speeds, not engine RPM. So does the dizzy spin at 1/2 engine speed? The 205L mech advance is 0 @450-550 RPM, 6 degrees @675-80RPM, 13-15 degrees @1300RPM and then its all in. The vac side works out like 0 @ 250-500RPM, 4-6 degrees @1000 RPM and its also all in now. Note the RPM is in Dist speed not engine speed. I wish they'd keep things like this consistant, as some of the other listings are in engine speed (the beetle chart, and 2 of the 72 and newer type3 engines). Thanks for any help. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 69 Square AT-the baby suburban ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org