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Leon wrote: >Was it the cheap gas and or the driving ???? >any thoughts ? How about both. : ) You do however stress test everything very good. I try to use only good gas, as I've blown up several engines running cheap gas in them. After the second time I told myself not to use the cheap stuff again. I haven't done it, its been over 8 years since I had a failure (knock on wood). The first time I sent the valve head from #1 cylinder thru the piston and broke the cam in half, the 2nd time it was #4 valve head that went thru the piston, and bent the crank, and took out a lifter and boss. Both times it left me stranded along the highway. I hope this helps. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 69 Square AT-the baby suburban ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org