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These don't look my old hirshmann antenna, but then I've never collapsed it that much. I think if I played with it I might get it close to being down that much, but then you never know. Also I'd hate to mess up a 35+ year old antenna. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof 69 Square AT-the baby suburban ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list | mailto:gregm@vwtype3.org