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>You did clean out the insides of the tubes themselves, didn't you? Yes. Ok, I did a few tests this weekend. With everything dry as a bone, I disconnected the hoses on the inside and pored water in the drains, came right throug. I them pored water from the inside out, also came right through. Ok drains are clear. I then poured more and more water through to test normal rain conditions. Everything poured out the botton as it should. However, after a few pitchers of water, I checked under the carpet and a small stream was forming from under the gas pedal to the rear of the car. This is the problem, so even though the drains are clean the water is seeping in somewhere. Any ideas where it could be coming in? Jason Smith '72 Fastback AT FI '97 Jetta http://jasontsmith.tripod.com/vw.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/