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DON'T CUT THE RUBBER!!! unless it cannot be saved due to weathering i took out all of my windows with a little vaseline and the best tool i had were plastic tire irons it worked great!!! when i took out my rear window ( i have a fastback) my boyfriend just put his back against the inside of the rear window with even pressure and pushed i had already loosened the seal with vaseline and moved it around the the tire irons....to break it free...then just continued to push evenly... i didn't have to cut any seals!!! my windhield was already cracked so the seal survived :) good luck!! heather -71 fastback AT FI '73 camper bus with 2.0ltr FI ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/