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<x-charset iso-8859-1>You just need to get in the right frame of mind (easy to say in the AC). First off... all the FI wires are numbered at each end... and if it were a wiring problem wiggeling things should at least bring temporary resolution... wiggle, knock, one thing at a time while someone tries starting the car... or do this THEN try to start each time. Are you SURE the ignition system is OK?? when its dead, open the cap, remove the rotor, rotate the engine till the points are closed, put the center coil wire 1/8" from ground and manually open the points with a screwdriver while Holding the INSULATED end... this will manually operate the ign system. FI... there is relatively little that will cause a No start if the pump is running 1) trigger points 2) Ground 3) ECU 4) power relay 5)Head temp sensor Thats about it... Though they are very reliable Id be interested in swapping the control unit out when its dead... there could be a thermal intermittant in it. IF you pump is working I believe the control unit must have power... Jim could confirm this, if this is not so Id look at the wires on the starter which power the FI. You have a thermal intermittant... that is related to engine temperature... and is on or near something of large thermal mass which is why it takes so long to return to operation. My 3 biggest thoughts are: 1) head temp sens... you checked 2) Power feed wire on the starter 3) Ground on the case Keith Keith Keith Park Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com 71 Squareback 65 Notchback 65 Squareback 75 Opel 87 Golf 88 Rx7 10th Anniversary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wodkowski" <wodkowski@mac.com> To: <type3@vwtype3.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 10:51 PM Subject: [T3] Wont start again, But I'M starting to hate FI > Me? starting to hate FI? Strong words yes I know, since I'm a generally > happy one-year convert but this not starting on hot days is beginning to > seriously piss me off. TWICE today, in the 100 degree heat, the car wouldn't > restart. The first time I had to wait half an hour. The second time - an > hour and a half!!! > > The problem is this: starter turns engine over , but there's no ignition. > This has regularly occurred after short slow trips on hot days. It happened > after a mile drive to the Pep Boys for oil filters this morning. Then, later > in the day after I changed my oil, I went to a LAPS (none are F here) > for some brake pads. Same shit. > > Once I get the car going again, I can turn off the car and start it up again > right away. > > My timing is good, my dwell is set, my trigger contacts have been cleaned > and are operational, my points are new, the starter turns over but the > engine just does not fire. VValves are set to a loose .004 and tight .006 I > can't afford to spend hours of surprise downtime on any given day. I NEED TO > FIX THIS OR DITCH THIS CAR. There I said it. Sorry maybe its the heat. But > this is frustrating me to no end. > > I get the two clicks when I turn the car on, one 1.5 secs after the other. > the fuel pump goes ON when I turn the car on, and then of course goes off. > > The fuel line appears to be fine and there's no sign of any leaks. > > Bentley says "If the engine refuses to start but the pump is operative check > the connection between wire 18 on the ecu and terminal 50 of the starter > twelve volts should be reaching wire 18 while the starter is in operation. > A) How exactly do I do this BY MYSELF? B) How do I get the ECU open? Pull > all those little tabs? I can't remember. How do I check 12V on wire 18? Hook > the red lead of my VOM to 18 and the black to Ground? I know very little > about electricity and if I need to get a technical degree in it to run this > car I'm out. It also says another possibility is a faulty temp sensor. Mine > reads 250 in the heat. No Good. HOWEVER, grounding it did not solve the > problem, so I'm not convinced it IS the problem. Bentley says the only > other options are the pressure sensor diaphragm unit or a defective pressure > regulator. > How do I test these without the Bosch testing device. > > Or maybe this is unrelated...three of my spark plug cooling boots are not in > good shape. > > Lost ten pounds in sweat today. > > -Mike > -- > Mike Wodkowski > 72 FI SQBK > Brooklyn > wodkowski@mac.com > > > ------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> > For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ > ------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <type3-off@vwtype3.org> For more help, see http://vwtype3.org/list/ </x-charset>