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JGGullion@aol.com wrote: > Hey all, > > I just bought a 1966 Sunroof Fastback T/L.....my sixth and favorite Fasty so > far. I wanted to ask what makes a T/L a T/L? Thanks. I understand that "TL" stands for "Touring Limousine" as opposed to just "L" for the notchback which is just a "Limousine". However, the way these letters were used by Volkswagen seems to have had no logic or consistency. The squareback also had an "L" model which of course was not a limousine and I think in this case was meant to mean luxury version. As for calling it a "limousine". Well, I think it is misplaced. In English a "limousine" is a large impressive car with a glass partition between the driver and the passengers in the rear, something usually found in some Rolls Royces, Daimlers, Cadillacs, Lincolns, Mercedes 600 and other cars built for use by royalty, presidents, the mega-rich and even Soviet era Party officials. I'm not sure exactly what "Limousine" means in German. I think the term "Touring" is from the original concept of a "GT" or "Gran Tourismo" car like a Ferrari or Mercedes 300SL - a car built for the mega-rich to cruise down to the Riviera in or leisurely tour to exclusive Alpine resorts like St Moritz . However, the "GT" term became debased in the 1960s when applied to cars like the common little Ford Cortina. Perhaps, VW tried to conjour up just a little of the images of a "Limousine" and a "Gran Tourismo" car with the fastback by calling it a "TL". Who knows what the marketing people at Volkswagen were thinking? Volkswagen didn't officially refer to Type3s as the "notchback" (or "Stufenheck") and "fastback" (or "Fliessheck") and "squareback". These are popular terms for them. Although, occasionally writers of sales literature faced reality and condescended to use the terms. The "squareback" was officially a "Variant" in most markets except for some places like USA, South Africa and Australia where the Chrysler Valiant was already a major player in the market and just might be confused with it. [!!!??] It was mainly in these markets VW tended to use the term "squareback". And, in France the squareback was often referred to as the "VW Break". (The term "Variant" is still used to refer to some current VW wagons like the Golf Variant and Passat Variant and has also been used by other manufacturers such as Auto Union.) Simon Glen Toowoomba, Australia. 1964 VW Type32 "Stufenheck" 1969 VW Type42 "Limousine" 1992 VW Type25 "Kastenwagen" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe