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If you talk to the people at por-15 they will tell you that por -15 bonds well to rusty metal and not clean. I have been using it for years with good results. If you want something that will bond to shiny metal and protect it from rust try coroless from Eastwood. It forms a hard coating and unlike por-15 it can be painted over. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/