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<x-charset iso-8859-1>Dan-- Since you are the only person I know with a 1969 Type 34, a question I have for you after looking at the Karmann website about changes to the T-34 is the location of your gas filler. According to the table http://www.karmann-100.de/wk_english/ghiastory/zahlen_frameset.html In August 1968 a gas flap was added, which indicates a fuel filler which would have been accessable from outside of the front trunk (boot). Can you confirm this from your car? Allyn de Vars 1962 and 1963 T-34 Ghias (2) 1967 Squarebacks 1983 Rabbit GTI 2001 Golf TDI -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Baum [mailto:dbaum@isdn.net.il] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:30 AM To: type3@vwtype3.org Subject: Re: [T3] Difference between a 67 and 68? Hi, What I do know is this: my car was first registered here in Israel on 10/10/68. So it presumably reached the country a few days earlier. That leaves approx. two months for Karmann to do their stuff, and for the car to be transported from Germany to Israel. I will definitely write to VW asking for the birth certificate. I have been intending to do it for some time and have never got around to it. Daniel Baum > Daniel, > > I believe you are correct. All Type3 models, whether they be a > Type31, Type34 or Type36, fit into the sequence of the last six > digits of the VIN. Thus, the only indication that your's is a > Karmann Ghia is the second digit. There was no separate chassis > number sequence for fastbacks, notchbacks, squarebacks or > Karmann Ghias. > > If your's was a Type31 or a Type36 and with that VIN of > *349 003 500*, it would have come off the Wolfsburg production > line in August 1968 i.e. during the first month of the 1969 model > year production run. However, Wilhelm Karmann GmbH would > have had their own production schedule. So, it may have come off > the production line at Osnabreuck some time later. > > Nevertheless, I am fairly certain that your rolling chassis (floorpan > with transmission, motor, suspension, steering and even wheels fitted) > probably left a production line at Wolfsburg during August 1968. > It would then have been sent by train to Osnabreuck for Karmann > to build one of their wonderful cars onto this rolling chassis. > > I think the only way to find out exactly when your car left the > Osnabreuck factory is to write to the VW Museum at Wolfsburg > stating your car's VIN or "fahrzeug nr" and requesting a certificate > of its production details. You should enclose DM20 in cash or at > least the equivalent in a currency that is easy for them to exchange > allowing for bank fees. (I always send DM20 in cash.) You should > get a reply within three weeks enclosing an A4 size certificate which > shows the date it left the production line, when it left the factory and > the destination (i.e. Germany, USA, Mongolia, Antarctica or wherever). > It also usually lists the M-Options that your car was built with and its > original colour scheme. If you wish I could send you a scanned copy > of one of my car's birth certificate just to see what they look like. > > The address is: > Fahrzeug Identitats-Urkunde > Stiftung AutoMuseum Volkswagen > Dieselstrasse 35 > D-38436 Wolfsburg > Germany > > Regards, > > Simon Glen > Toowoomba, Australia. > > Daniel Baum wrote: > > > That's interesting. > > > > Now, Type 34s appear to have chassis numbers that are part of the general > > type 3 sequence. Very late '69s, for instance, have numbers over 200,000. > > > > Mine though, an early '69 is 349 003 500, in other words the 3,500th Type 3 > > made that year. Considering they only made approx 1600 T34s in the '69 model > > year, mine must be one of the very first T34s made that year. > > > > Does anyone know the date it was made? > > > > Daniel Baum > > > > > The vehicle identification numbers produced during March 1968 > > > were from *318 171 074* to *318 188 979*. So, your car with > > > a VIN of *318 176 901* would have been made at the Wolfsburg > > > factory probably during the second week of March 1968. > > > (My source here: "The International Vintage Volkswagen Magazine > > > Supplement: VW Type Three Age Finder 1961 to 1968".) > > > > > > During the 1968 model year (01Aug67 to 31Jul68), a total of > > > 235,387 VW Type3s were built and this includes those Type3s > > > manufactured in South Africa and Australia and CKD-assembled > > > in Ireland and Belgium. Yet, in the same model year 1,016,100 > > > Beetles were made (excluding those made in Brazil where chassis > > > numbering has always been different). So, compared to Beetles, > > > Type3 numbers were relatively small. But, when you compare > > > these with contemporary other vehicles of similar size such as > > > Volvo 122, Renault 16, Opel Reckord, Vauxhall Victor, Morris 1800, > > > Toyota Corona and Fiat 124 and 125, the VW Type3 numbers are > > > more impressive. > > > > > > > > > Simon Glen > > > Toowoomba, Australia. > > > > > > > > > Jim Adney wrote: > > > > > > > Forwarded to the list for general consumption.... > > > > > > > > On 26 Nov 2001, at 15:31, Cf Vw tuner wrote: > > > > > > > > > So, I guess I still have an "early" car? My vin is 318176901. > > > > > That would mean it's a 1968, but is it the 176,901 car built or is > > there > > > > > some type of order to the rest of the digits? > > > > > > > > You're right about the order, but for comparison, I bought a 68 on > > > > March 2, 1968. Its sequence number was 117,575 and it had just > > > > arrived at the dealership. I had ordered it several months earlier and > > > > it had just come in. So perhaps you can see that yours isn't even > > > > an early 68, but a rather late one. > > > > > > > > They really didn't turn these out by the millions per year. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe > </x-charset>