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Phillip, I have had the headliner out of both a fastback and a notch. On the fasty, the only thing up there is the roof with a reinforcement 3to4"on the edges , and 4to 5" on the ends, the rest is just sheet metal. Now on my Notch with factory sunroof, its a different story,it has this big piece of metal tray that the roof rides when its open, that is welded via tabs to the edges of the reinforcment on the sides of the roof, along with the added metal for the tracks and the drains. The rest of the roof looks like the fastback although its much shorter. The ends on the notch roof only extend inside about 2to 3" that are later covered with headliner material. I've also seen a bug without it's headliner, and it looks a lot like a fasty up there, but with more support. I don't know if this helps you or anyone else that there's not a lot up there above your head, but I don't see any reason for NOT putting in as big a sunroof as you want in there, unless you're trying to keep it 100% stock. The problem with that is most people haven't seen a stock type3 let alone a modified one, and you probably see a beetle (stock or otherwise) more often than a type3. I always got comments on my wife's fasty---my uncle,dad or neighbor had one of those but it was a convertible(thinking it was a ghia, not a type3). Now with the Notch I get new comments with it--what the hell is it, to nice fiat-doh! I usually tell them to look at the emblems more closely, ITS A VW. When I had my square , I didn't get to many off comments, most people knew what it was when they saw it.--Haven't seen one of those since I left California dude. Sorry for getting off on a rant. Bob 65 Notch S w/ Sunroof ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe