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I was browsing ebay and found these for 39.95 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=586515404 is that a good price? Not sure if i should get thme but i thoght i should share the news. Also there are no bids on as of yet. Eric 1968 VW Blue Fastback http://www.edinboro.edu/~e153916n/darkside_resto.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org