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They hold pretty well - why not glue lightly in place to sure your car doesn't get any wetter inside? My time estimates for "how long before I can get round to things" tends to be very elastic! Dave. UK VW Type 3 & 4 Club http://www.hallvw.clara.co.uk/ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org