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I have driven a black vinyl car in extreme heat...even tried showering in my cloths before leaving! worked well for about 30 minutes with the vent windows blowing on me...then i dried out and the misery returned -- Brian--\x/64 Notch & 67 Fastback http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/invasion.html Parma, Idaho: Home of the 2002 "Type 3 Invasion" Aug. 17th and 18th ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org