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Jim Wrote " Who makes the good ones? " Hey Jim , i have a Ernst brand muffler that i bought that is from the 70's and it has the inner tubes that you talk about and the muffler is definetly heavier than any others that i have seen. also all of the exhaust connections are welded instead of being stamped together. and yes it was made in west germany. as if you could'nt tell by the brand name! jesse 71 fi squareback ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe