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if the seal is brittle and shot, i trim away the outside of the seal and then lift out the glass and remove the rest of the seal. this keeps me from cutting the headliner and the glass comes out without damage! -- Brian--\x/64 Notch http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/invasion.html Parma, Idaho: Home of the 2002 "Type 3 Invasion" Aug. 17th and 18th ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe