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sorry i hit the send key too early to recap: engine in and running timing set, and carbs tuned (kind of) ran well good power after 35 miles on freeway hardly any power limped to my house (the car) now here is the deal on engine j-tubes replace heat aexchangers dual 42 DCNFs replace FI missing deflector plates on the cooling tin also no thermostat anything also the outlets on the fan shroud are open questions: is it carb tuning? the car ran well when cool and on the freeway but once hot and stop and go it wanted to DIE is it the fact that the air the carbs gets is preheated by engine and exhaust? do i need to further adjust timing? give me some input caesar ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/