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=> Please help in my decision making process. My gut feeling is to recommend you keep looking. They both sound like basket cases, and that's a bad way to start. What part of the country are you in? => Both are 62-65 models (how do I tell the difference?) Check the VIN against the chart on the site. => Also any opinions on IRS pans with a wide 5 bolt => pattern for these cars? That's a custom job. My advice: try driving a swing axle with a camber compensator for a while, then see whether you still care about IRS. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 KG1600 ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org