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I know that a lot of people on this list live in parts of the country where type III's are pretty thin on the ground, but if you are not in one of those areas it is a great idea to start one. My car starts now, because of a member of the San Diego group. Thanks Leon! If it weren't for his help I probably would have gone to a mechanic who I now know gives out bad information. For those who are interested in what my problem was, it was the timing. I figured a timing problem would have crept up gradualy and my car failed catastrophicaly. It turns out that my distributor had come loose. Mark Healey 71 FI auto square 71 FI manual square marksvw@healeyonline.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe