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as a side note...of the 4 different brands i have purchased as 165R15s the aspect ratio of side wall to tread has varied by a total for 4%. the shortest being a 78 and the tallest an 82. -- Brian--\x/64 Notch & 67 Fastback http://www.geocities.com/menacefye/ ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org