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NO ME MANDEN MAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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> type3-d Digest                          Volume 99 : Issue 289
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> Today's Topics:
>   RE: [T3] Swamp Cooler                 [ James MacNaughton <jmac@uglyducklin ]
>   Re: [T3] Wheels and tyres, etc.       [ Per Lindgren <lindgre@online.no> ]
>   Re: [T3] Wheels and tyres, etc.       [ Per Lindgren <lindgre@online.no> ]
>   Re: [T3] Building the PERFECT beast   [ "Syncroman" <syncroman@wa.freei.net ]
>   [T3] VW shows                         [ Marlin Viss <mrlnvss@dordt.edu> ]
>   Re: [T3] VW shows                     [ OurVWs@aol.com ]
>   Re: [T3] VW shows                     [ OurVWs@aol.com ]
>   [T3] Shocks and my butt               [ The Phantom Menace <vwfye@micron.ne ]
>   [T3] Hazet tool kit - will it fit?    [ Dave Burden <Dave.Burden@digital.co ]
>   [T3] Portland VW show                 [ The Phantom Menace <vwfye@micron.ne ]
>   RE: [T3] Portland VW show             [ "Erkson, Toby" <toby.erkson@intel.c ]
>   Re: [T3] Yellow Band on Rear Torsion  [ "Dave Hall" <dave@hallvw.clara.co.u ]
>   Re: [T3] Wheels and tyres, etc.       [ "Jim Adney" <jadney@vwtype3.org> ]
>   [T3] window,thanx,name please?        [ "Stewart McClelland" <stewart@bedfo ]
>   Re: [T3] window,thanx,name please?    [ Karl Samuelson <ksam2@netzero.net> ]
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> Subject: RE: [T3] Swamp Cooler
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:18:58 -0700
> From: James MacNaughton <jmac@uglyduckling.com>
> To: type3@vwtype3.org
>
> I remember a headline from the 'Times I saw years ago...
>
> ........'Britain Sizzles in the 70s'
>
> Must be nice.  It'll be 97F today.
>
>         -----+A Message-----
>         From:   Dave Hall [SMTP:dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk]
>         Sent:   Wednesday, May 19, 1999 4:23 PM
>         To:     type3@vwtype3.org
>         Subject:        Re: [T3] Swamp Cooler
>
>         Who cares if it works in the UK?  It doesn't get hot enough to need
> to
>         ;-).  The camper vans sometimes had an evaporator for a coolbox.
>
>         Dave.
>         UK VW Type 3&4 Club
>         http://www.hallvw.clara.net/
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: James MacNaughton <jmac@uglyduckling.com>
>         To: type3@vwtype3.org <type3@vwtype3.org>
>         Date: 18 May 1999 23:02
>         Subject: RE: [T3] Swamp Cooler
>
>         >That's kinda funny.
>         >
>         >Mark's obviously never been to the Southwest.  Ah, well.  A swamp
> cooler
>         is
>         >a device that humidifies and circulates air.  They only work in
> drier
>         >climates.  If you're actually in the UK, it probably won't work too
> well
>         for
>         >you.
>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Wheels and tyres, etc.
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:42:24 +0200
> From: Per Lindgren <lindgre@online.no>
> To: Forsman/Harris <akatieh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
> CC: type3@vwtype3.org
>
> Forsman/Harris wrote:
>
> > Per wrote: "The Bug wheels would be a compromise for the better, IMHO.
> > The Bug wheels have a greater offset, making for a wider track, with
> > better performance."
> >
> > Per, I think you mean to say that the bug wheels have LESS offset, and
> > therefore, a wider track.  The more that the center of the wheel is set
> > OUTward off center in the wheel's rim, the more INward in the wheel well
> > the rim (and tire) will be.
>
> Of course, it must have been late when I wrote it :-)
>
> >
> >
> > Also, be aware that not all "beetle" wheels are3ye offset.  Most
> > (late beetles?) are 34 mm, if my recollection is correct; but, some have
> > high offsets like the "type3" wheels.  e.g. my '74 beetle had high
> > offset "sport" 41/2 Js (like 41 or 42mm, or somthing like that), which
> > are not, according to the Bentley, stock.  (Anybody want these?  I like
> > hubcaps.)  I can check some of these values from the beetle Bentley if
> > anybody is interested.  In fact, it may be misleading to just say
> > "beetle" wheel, or, "type3" wheel, since they are all interchangeable,
> > as long as proper adjustments are made to avoid rubbing; so that you can
> > take your pick of what you want, which was your point, I think, no?
>
> Actually, a 34mm Beetle wheel should not rub as much as the 46mm Type3
> wheel, because the rim and tire is placed more away form the inner wheel
> well. It can rub in the fender, however. I have not tried any of these on my
> Type3 yet, I have the wheel, but not any tire on them.
>
> >
> >
> > Offset affects bearing wear, I think; but I don't know the ins and outs
> > of this matter.
>
> That depends of how much difference there is from stock. If you exceed 20mm
> difference, the bearings can suffer from excessive wear.
>
> PerL
> 73 Variant L
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Wheels and tyres, etc.
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:42:31 +0200
> From: Per Lindgren <lindgre@online.no>
> To: type3@vwtype3.org
> CC: type3@vwtype3.org
>
> Jim Adney wrote:
>
> > This is true, but the stresses on the bearings is also changed
> > because of the cantilevered load. On a unloaded car this is no
> > problem, but a loaded car will be a different story, and if you do
> > much of it you may start to have bearing failures.
>
> Yes, the stress is bigger on the bearings when you use wider wheels, but if you
> change the 46 wheels for the 40 wheel[ctress is not big enough to cause
> any premature wear of the bearings. Only if you exceed an offset of 20 less
> than the original, you can get this effect. The bearings should not have too
> much problem, the bearings are the same as those in the Beetle, aren't they?
>
> PerL
> 73 Variant L
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Building the PERFECT beast
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 08:45:31 -0700
> From: "Syncroman" <syncroman@wa.freei.net>
> To: "Type 3 list" <type3@vwtype3.org>
>
> The 88's will give you a noticable improvement and are worth the extra
> money. While displacement is usually a winner when it comes to horsepower,
> the VW engine responds equally well to head improvements to improve air
> flow. Minor changes to the combution chamber and ports can give you big
> gains with the proper carburation. If you plan on keeping this car for more
> than a couple of years, spend twice the price and get a motor that works
> twice as good and lasts twice as long...seriously. Stick with the Berg
> recommendations and parts, and you won't be disappointed.
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
> Nathan Jacobsen
> '62 NB
> '69 SB M/T
> syncroman@wa.freei.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> > Well I just got off the phone with Tim at Gene Berg..
> > I want to go with the 1776 engine kit but he really reccomends against
> > using the 90.5's with the type3's.  Whats the opinions here considering
> > that I want decent reliability and longevity for this enormous wad of cash
> > Im about to spend??
> >
> > If I go with the 88's is it worth this huge wad of cash for the increased
> > performance over the stock motor??   i  can build a sweet stock motor for
> > about half what I'm spending.
> >
> > I want quality and I know Berg has it I just dont want to spend lots of
> > dough if I can do as well elsewhere.
> >
> > remember, Im not Vader, buyle darkness is still in my blood.
> >
> > Keith
> > topnotchresto@worldnet.att.net
> >
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> Subject: [T3] VW shows
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 09:03:27 -0700
> From: Marlin Viss <mrlnvss@dordt.edu>
> To: "type3@vwtype3.org" <type3@vwtype3.org>
>
> Anyone know of a site that has a calander of VW events?  Specifically
> those in California?  Seems to me I found a good one once, but didn't
> bookmark it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marlin
>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] VW shows
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:04:21 EDT
> From: OurVWs@aol.com
> To: mrlnvss@dordt.edu, type3@vwtype3.org
>
> I am begining to put one of those together on our site.  It has some sites
> listed already (by state).  Check it out.  I add a few events every day (as I
> have time).
>
> Also, if you know of any events that should be there, or any Cruise Nights
> (VW get togethers), let me know, and I will make sure they are posted within
> 48 hours.
>
> Thanks Much
>
> Page (& Peggy)
> Mission Viejo, CA
> E-Mail: OurVWs@aol.com
> Web: http://members.aol.com/OurVWs
> '68 Squareback - 1776 w/Dual Webers
> '66 Kombi - Stock - For Now :)
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> Subject: Re: [T3] VW shows
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 12:05:21 EDT
> From: OurVWs@aol.com
> To: mrlnvss@dordt.edu, type3@vwtype3.org
>
> Forgot to include this :)
>
> Web site is:
>
> http://members.aol.com/OurVWs
>
> Page (& Peggy)
> Mission Viejo, CA
> E-Mail: OurVWs@aol.c-e: http://members.aol.com/OurVWs
> '68 Squareback - 1776 w/Dual Webers
> '66 Kombi - Stock - For Now :)
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> Subject: [T3] Shocks and my butt
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 13:00:23 -0600
> From: The Phantom Menace <vwfye@micron.net>
> To: "A VW club!" <type3@vwtype3.org>, A VW club <vwmagazine@listbot.com>,
>      Dave Cormack <kaferdave@aol.com>
>
> Finally got an opportunity to install my Bilistein shocks on the rear of
> my car!  The previous shocks were a pair of  "Kick Your Butt" gas
> adjust.  What a difference!  The new shocks actually absorb the
> bumps...Even speed bumps are easier.  As to cornering, they are great
> too.  The secret is the way they load up, they are softer for the first
> 2 inches of travel then they stiffen up like the KYBs start out.  I am
> very happy with my new addition!!!
>
> Also, on the issue of new rubber vs. stainless brake lines.  I have use
> both extensively in both car and motorcyle applications and the
> stainless lines have always out performed the rubber lines.
> However...for everyday, non-aggressive driving, the new rubber lines are
> just what you need.  I tend to push hard in the turns and in the hills,
> so I use the stainless, but they aren't necessary for my trips to the
> store.
>
> Vader
> 64 Menace
>
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> Subject: [T3] Hazet tool kit - will it fit?
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:18:58 -0400
> From: Dave Burden <Dave.Burden@digital.com>
> To: "'type3@vwtype3.org'" <type3@vwtype3.org>
>
> Just wondering if anyone has a Hazet tool kit in/on the spare wheel
> of their Type III.  They seem to be designed to be used in the Type I
> since%e very visible.  Obviously you would not see it
> as much in a Type III, but will one even fit?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave Burden
> -------------------------
> '71 Squareback
> '72 Bus (7 passenger)
> '72 Bus (future camper conversion)
>
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> Subject: [T3] Portland VW show
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 15:26:42 -0600
> From: The Phantom Menace <vwfye@micron.net>
> To: "A VW club!" <type3@vwtype3.org>
>
> Who or whom is going to the Portland show on the 5th of June besides
> myself and Toby E.?  I will have the Roadster there with me and I am
> looking forward to meeting others.
>
> Vader
>
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> Subject: RE: [T3] Portland VW show
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 14:30:18 -0700
> From: "Erkson, Toby" <toby.erkson@intel.com>
> To: A VW club! <type3@vwtype3.org>
>
> FYI to everyone else:  I'll be there but won't be showing.  I will have my
> Jetta, though :)  I'll be helping with the activities.
>
>    Toby Erkson
>    air_cooled_nut@pobox.com  <-- Please use this address for email
>    '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L, Berg five-speed
>    '95 VW Jetta III GL 2.0L, P-Chipped, Jamex sport suspension
>    Portland, Oregon, http://www.pobox.com/~toby_erkson/
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Who or whom is going to the Portland show on the 5th of June besides
> >myself and Toby E.?  I will have the Roadster there with me and I am
> >looking forward to meeting others.
>
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>DOA: Re: [T3] Yellow Band on Rear Torsion Bars
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:55:32 +0100
> From: "Dave Hall" <dave@hallvw.clara.co.uk>
> To: <type3@vwtype3.org>
>
> Not the torsion bars in fact, but as I think I said the stabiliser bars
> (anti-roll bars) are thicker on the Squareback (13.7 mm compared with 11 mm
> for F/B, Notch and T3 Ghia).
>
> Dave.
> UK VW Type 3&4 Club
> http://www.hallvw.clara.net/
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Forsman/Harris <akatieh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
> To: type3@vwtype3.org <type3@vwtype3.org>
> Date: 19 May 1999 18:39
> Subject: Re: [T3] Yellow Band on Rear Torsion Bars
>
> >Are the torsion bars on the front of Squarebacks also paint-marked /
> >large-diameter / high-tension, and thus, likewise suitable for upgrading
> >fast/notchbacks?
> >
> >Eric Forsman
> >Baltimore, MD
>
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> Subject: Re: [T3] Wheels and tyres, etc.
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 21:04:58 -0600
> From: "Jim Adney" <jadney@vwtype3.org>
> To: type3@vwtype3.org
>
> On 20 May 99, at 17:42, Per Lindgren wrote:
>
> > Jim Adney wrote:
> >
> > > This is true, but the stresses on the bearings is also changed
> > > because of the cantilevered load. On a unloaded car this is no
> > > problem, but a loaded car will be a different story, and if you do
> > > much of it you may start to have bearing failures.
> >
> > Yes, the stress is bigger on the bearings when you use wider wheels, but if you
> > change the 46 wheels for the 40 wheels, the stress is not big enough to cause
> > any premature wear of the bearings. Only if you exceed an offset of 20 less
> > than the original, you can get this effect. The bearings should not have too
> > much problem, the bearings are the same as those in the Beetle, aren't they?
>
> The Bentley manual warns against using Beetle wheels because of the
> extra stress on the beariN0hink that is still sound advice. Of
> course it is true that the stress goes up as the offset goes down,
> but there is no reason to expect there to be a sudden failure
> threshold.
>
> You are correct that the Beetles use exactly the same bearings (in
> the same year), but the beetle is lighter and the bearing stress is a
> function of both offset and weight (as well as driving habits, and
> road conditions.) If you NEVER plan to carry anything close to the
> rated load in your car then there can be no doubt that you will be
> just fine, but who can say that with assurance.
>
> I'd like to point out that the main place where this is a problem is
> for the rear bearings on an IRS car. I think the load on the fronts
> is still somewhere between the bearings and the load on the outer
> swing axle bearing changes only very slowly with offset.
>
> With the IRS rears, the outer bearing is already a roller bearing
> because a ball bearing can't take the stress, even on a Beetle. The
> geometry of this bearing arrangement is such that a small change in
> offset makes a large change in the bearing stress. These are the
> wheels that carry most of the weight anyway, and  this is also the
> place that gets extra load when you carry any cargo. They are also
> expensive and a royal pain to replace.
>
> That said, I'll have to admit that I have never seen a rear IRS
> bearing fail, but that outer front bearings fail commonly. The outer
> fronts will see more stress with less offset, so this problem should
> worsten.
>
> Jim
> -
> *******************************
> Jim Adney, jadney@vwtype3.org
> Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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> Subject: [T3] window,thanx,name please?
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 22:33:14 -0400
> From: "Stewart McClelland" <stewart@bedford.net>
> To: "A VW club!?Z@vwtype3.org>
>
> Does anybody know where I can get a window seal(rubber) for the back window
> of a 1968 VW fastback? I can't find the right one for my car!!
>
> Also thanx again for helping me find an inusrance company so I could get my
> car on the road!! I went with geico because that was the cheapest rate for
> me. I found out there were a lot of other companies that do insure older
> cars in Pennsylvania such as state farm, progressive, all state, and
> nationwide. and if i was a veteran there are many discounts and cheap
> insurance companies for veterans. Thanx again for your help.
>
> I need one last thing to finnish my car! I need a name for it! My last car
> was Marie(named after the little old lady that owned it b4 me and passed
> away) It is a green fastback with white interior. I will take any
> suggestions!! Thanx
>
> Proud owner of a VW
>
> Vw Drivers Wanted! (Hired)
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> Subject: Re: [T3] window,thanx,name please?
> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:27:37 -0500
> From: Karl Samuelson <ksam2@netzero.net>
> To: Stewart McClelland <stewart@bedford.net>
> CC: "A VW club!" <type3@vwtype3.org>
>
> Check out  http://billandsteves.com/ in Californina for the window.
>
> As for a name for your Fastback, how about "Daisy".  It's Granny's "REAL" name
> on the Beverly Hillbillies, or how about "Elly May", "Jethro", "Jed".
>
> I named my Squareback "Mr. Haney", after the country con-artist from Green
> Acres fame,
> just to remind myself of the money I lost on the LEMON motor I bought from
> ___ in California.
>
> karl
>
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