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Well, yesterday, about 10 minutes before the VW club meeting, i finished putting in my innovations fiberglass center console unit. Like all fiberglass parts, it came with no holes. A day later and i still itch from the little fiberglass splinters from all the cutting. In case anyone is considering this mod, i'll tell you what fit. i was just barely able to fit my alpine detatchable face stereo (standard size) and four VDO 2 1/16" gauges in the upper flat surface and still look good. There would even be enough room for a cigarette lighter/power outlet on the flat part. i had to cut a hole for the shifter, and because i use a scat dragfast, it was a good-sized hole. i made it so that the boot looks like it comes off the console, so it has the new-car shifter look. i was also able to cut holes and install two 4" round speakers on the side of the console (for a total of 6 speakers in the square now!). Also, i remember someone asking about the size of speaker that goes under the dash. while i was doing all this, i decided to put one in. it is a standard 4 by 6 inch dash speaker. this size doesn't come with grilles, but we won't need them anyway. After it was all said and done, i have say that it looks pretty damn awesome! much more modern look and holds all my darkside goodies no problem with its sturdy construction. Two complaints. 1. the top doesn't quite match the funny radio "notch" ( i don't know what else to call it). it goes in and looks fine, but it could be better. 2. the part nearest the driver's feet flares out a little and since i am 6'2", i did some finageling to make it a little narrower. I also got a glove box from them. it fits well, but it could be 1/4" wider for fit perfectly. but none of that paper dust crap in there now. i can use it like a gove box should be used. Dan Hoopes dan@ewed.net '67 Square, "Stanley" Provo, Utah ðã¥\ ------------------------------------------------------------ List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org