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ok here's the deal. i finally picked up a volt/ohmmeter and went through the trouble shooting section for FI in the idiot manual...i now know that my fuel pump isn't turning on when the ignition is on. i thought for sure i had a bad pump, i'm a real pessimist. so i checked out the fuses and had à ™: ones but she still wouldn't start. here's what else i found: the pump relay failed the tests from the book. my friend is somewhat of a mechanical nut so he pryed the relay open and there's a contact inside. when the key is on and the contact is made, my pump runs!!!! now my question is, does this mean the relay is bad, or could it be whatever powers the relay that is in question? there's no voltage readings through the relay. i also checked out the main relay under the backseat, and there's 12 volts going to terminal 30/51 which means it's getting power, but terminals 86 and 87 have nothing. what does this all mean? well at least my pump is functional right? another thing i discovered after reading up was that the when you turn the ignition on the 1.5 seconds of pump running is signaled by a wire from the starter terminal. my connection for this wire was taped up and the connection on the solenoid was bent down, as if someone was trying to say "don't do it". what does all this mean? it seems to me it will end up being something pretty simple, but i don't want to shell out the money for the pump relay if i don't have to. i got quoted $47.50 from the vw dealer. just for that little box. anyway, any feedback would be much appreciated. and i'm very grateful for all the help so far, all you guys are great. really. mark. '70 SB _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Unsubscribe? mailto:type3-request@vwtype3.org, Subject: unsubscribe