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Apologies, listers, if this thread carries insufficient T3 content. Lemme know if you want me to shut up about it. JimA=> I have a VERY difficult P£} h this claim. I did, too, but let's not overstate it. The results I find most interesting are from a continuing study of exhaust emissions in traffic using a mobile laser spectrometer, which is able to identify specific exhaust content from specific vehicles in motion. This study, which has been peer-reviewed, has shown that something like 90% of the noxious gases emitted by passenger cars come from a little less than 10% of the cars, and there is no reliable correlation by age of the car. In other words, 10% of cars of *all ages* are by far the largest polluters. But even if you don't buy that, it seems clear to me that the numbers of older cars on the road as a proportion of all cars does not warrant the special attention given them as scrappage targets. Further, most scrappage schemes have not discriminated between a once-a-year parade car, a well-maintained daily driver, a smoking pile of rust, and a dead hulk in someone's back yard. The targets have been changing somewhat as the supporters of this sort of legislation have discovered which ones are harder, but I think the history of the effort shows that the elimination of gross pollution sources is not its goal. => I love my cars, but I also love the environment As do I, and I have the street cred as a tree-hugging activist to prove it. I agree with you utterly on taking personal responsibility, but I will not allow the suits to get away with political shell games and murdering the environment while I regularly assuage my liberal guilt at the recycling center. My cars are part of the problem, sure, but they're not a big enough part to deserve crushing to benefit the shareholders of Unocal. It makes more sense to me to start with cleaning up the largest sources of pollution. => IMHO, there is really just one main problem out there and that is => overpopulation. I look at this in a different way: it's not what you do so much as how you go about doing it. Me-firstism is the problem, and it only grows more obvious wàø–y of us meez trying to be first. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 KGhia 1600 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/