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Tough to quantify quickly. A 'pancake' or 'suitcase' motor is in fact, a T3 power plant, but VW designated Busses as Type 2, regardless of the mill. Go to the www.type3.org <http://www.type3.org> home page, and check out the info there. There's lots of good illustrations and explanations for that stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Braun [SMTP:vwsquare@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 3:19 PM To: vw mailing list vw Subject: [T3] Stupid Question... ummm... just got through talking with a gentleman who referred to a vw bus as a "type three bus" after I politely corrected him he proceeded to tell me that all '70 and after busses had "pancake or type III engines..." not standard or "upright" help guys.... what did he mean.... Rob '73 broken back _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/