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Hey folks... Fairly off topic for most of you, but I do this to get the word out....all replies to keen@polaris.digital-galaxy.net, and not to the lists (except specificly where such replies would be on topic!) Mom's 84 TD jetta got to the point where it would NOT start cold. So i posted the probelm to the diesel list, and the overwhelming response was that the injection timing was off. Since I was not equiped to really check such a thing, nor did I really have the time, we opted to take it the dealership. Asked them to check and adjust the timing, and if it needed it, to replace the timing belt while they were at it. The next day, the called us, "It's ready!" they said. We asked when we picked it up if they had test driven it, and tried to start it when hot. They said yes, and it was working fine now. Mom drove it home. Stopped by walmart on the way. When she got home, she said it just BARELY started outside of walmart. she'd been in ~ half an hour. Note: this vehicle has NO trouble starting cold. Vrrrm! So, the next day, Sunday, I checked it out. Opened the hood, and found that the timing cover was installed improperly. It was rubbing against the AC/water pump belt. Also noted that the alternator belt had been tightened, but was badly in need of replacement, due to being worn too thin, and full of cracks! Our reciepts clearly showed where they had charged us to replace the timing belt, valve cover gasket, adjust injecting timing, and adjust all belts. Total? 381.15 The injection pump timing plug (that is removed to insert a dial indicator to check timing), nor the bellhousing plug (removed to see the TDC pointer..) had any wrench marks at all. (this engien is not clean, but not greasy. Hit it with a wrench, and the dirt is displaced, though..) Took it back the next day, and went straight to the service manger. Showed him the timing cover, and he immediatly was apologetic. Attempted to point out other things, like it still not starting when hot, etc, but he was much more interested in trying to get us out of there. Also told them to replace the bad alternator belt. Took them 3 days this time. Said they had to order a belt for it. Took it home, and it STILL is not starting when hot. Second charge of 88.50 reciept stating adjustment and replacement of belts. Note that belts needed to be removed and reinstalled to change the timing belt.. I make the descision to attempt to tool up for the job of setting the injection pump timing myself, since we really dont trust that they have done it. Car sits for 2-3 weeks while I put the cash togethor for the dial indicator and appropriate base, and point set. Tools showed up friday, so today I pulled the car in my shop, and started to work. Removed air cleaner assembly, timing cover, et al. Immediately noted that the timing belt WAS NOT NEW. Same belt, same tensioner. How do I know it was the same belt? When I installed the cover (PO lost it when .he. installed the generic brand belt), it rubbed the belt when I started the car up. Removed, and had to shim the front (FIF) of the cover to keep it from rubbing. So the belt has no VW markings, numbers, etc, is clearly NOT new, AND has the same rub mark along the edge. Continuing along, i remove the valve cover (according to the Bentley, the only was yo tell you are at TDC for #1 is to line up the TDC mark on the flywheel and look to be sure #1's valve were both shut. Afterthought shows I probably could have looked through the oil fill hole and seen the rocker arms... Gasket does not appear to be only a few weeks old. Nor did the hoses from the air filter housing to the turbo, and the valve cover appear to have been disturbed. With the flywheel at the TDC mark, and #1 valves both shut, the injection pump sprocket has a notch that should line up with the notch on the pump's mounting plate. the notch on the sprocket is around 1/4" to the rear (FIF) of where it should be. the Bentley states that if the injection pump sprocket is not timed correctly, the pump CANNOT be timed correctly (done by loosening the pump mounting bolts, and moving it one direction or the other). This should have been corrected to adjust the timing, even if they did NOT plan on replacing the belt. I've not yet measured the current timing setting, as I found the base I thought would work won't. something about magnets not sticking to aluminum heads!:) Tomorrow, I'll have a machine shop fabricate what I shall need. We will be in contact with the owner of the dealership tomorrow, since the management of the serive department didnt want to take care if it. After that, I guess we contact VWoA. The dealership in question is Gerald Jones VW/Audi/Volvo, in Augusta, GA. I'm sending this to the Typ3, typ2, vintagebus, vwdiesel, Aircldvw, Vanagon, and vintagvw mailing lists. If I could find an email address for VW of A, or VW aG, I'd cc: to them also. The dealership does not have an email, or website. A copy of this will be shown to the owner of the dealership tomorrow, also. thanks for reading, and not shooting me for being so long winded, yet off topic. ....david -- David Raistrick '69 Westy-Ichigo keen@finally.atlasta.net '82 Westy-Maxine (Mom's) '66 SO-44 Westy (It runs! I drove it!) in Augusta Ga ------------------------------------------------------------------- Too much? Digest! mailto:type3-d-request@vwtype3.org Subj=subscribe