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And here is the rest of the story... Part 1, The car in question is a 1971 Fastback manual trans that the PO has totally removed anything that even looked like fuel injection from the car. It had been converted to a T1 engine (Upright fan shroud and all) that was blown. This engine took up residence inside the car in pieces on the floor. There was a push button starter on the dash. The wire harness on the car has been cut, spliced, mangeled, hooked up with wire nuts ect. The relays are gone from under the dash and under the rear seat. And now... Part 2, I have a complete stock 1972 T3 engine that someone gave me. It has all the cooling tin, both heat exchangers, distributor, but you get the idea. The engine I have is fuel injected, the car is no longer Fuel Injection. While I could spend time/money on putting the car back to stock, I feel there has to be (almost) a way to run the stock injectors with a different ECU and not be hampered (Please do not take offense) by the limits of the stock ECU. Perhaps I could even have an O2 sensor to handle the fuel mixture. Scott Keck Luftwagen Gruppe 1 _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org