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In a message dated 98-08-27 12:11:42 EDT, you write: << is ther any trik to do this without taking half of the car out. >> I pulled mine (from the outside) up and out with a pair of pliers, it destroys the nozzle alright,but if you are replacing it anyways what do you care. HB 70sq ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/