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BrianF=> Does anybody besides me believe this is a boxer/brief, less => filling/tastes great debate? What I don't get is why y'all are debating. The point was that Trends based its 'article' on the myth that FI is a big problem and included intentionally misleading information about FI systems (the photo). Whatever technology you like better, this isn't good for *anybody*. Steven Ayres, Prescott AZ '66 343 ------------------------------------------------------------------- List info at http://www.vwtype3.org/list or mailto:help@vwtype3.org