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This reply from Mike is beautiful! Can we get this framed somehow? I think this is a perfect example of what we all hope to get from the list - solid advice that even though it initially might not make sense at all, gets the problem solved. I, I, I think I'm gonna cry now. Jake Kooser BTW, would it be possible to make a "mini-glossary" of technical terms on the type III.org page for those who are newer to wrench-bending? I've got some spare time and I could whip up a beginning for it while I'm out here. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Search old messages on the Web! Visit http://www.vwtype3.org/list/