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Guys, here is the tip from that someone who put a theBerg 5 into his fastback ( no framehorns.) Clyde at Berg told me the same thing Tim said, but if I worked with them on R&D they would supply me the parts to the bug kit. Well, a month later, the Berg 5 is in my car, and it is not as hard as you think. What has to be done is that l brackets longer than the bug setup have to fabricated from angle iron, and some welding has to be done. I know this makes nosense right now, but I am preparing to photograph all the fabricated parts on my car, as installed, and send the info back to Clyde. I am also going to drive the car down to Orange, CA, whrn drivable. Hopefully the work that we did up here in Washington will translate into a Berg 5 kit available soon from Berg for us late type 3ers. By the way, the tran works like a charm. If you have any questions, e mail me at my personal account: Kenik@telisphere.com Kenik Hassel 71 fastback ---------- > From: Toby Erkson <Toby_Erkson@ccm.jf.intel.com> > To: type-3@umich.edu > Subject: Porsche Gearbox and GB 5-speed > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 10:56 AM > > Talked with Tim at Gene Berg and here's the scoop on the 5-speed for a '72 > and later Type III -- can't be installed easily like a Bug. Apparently the > frame horns are different and there isn't a place to mount the extended > nose cone. A special tranny mount must be fabricated. Previous to Tim I > spoke with someone else at GB and he had said that there was someone > putting the fiver in his Fastback and fabricating a mount. I need to call > back in a couple of weeks to find out the progress of the T3 mount. > > I'm taking an educated guess here (a WAG maybe? [Wild Ass Guess] :) but if > someone was to put in a 911 (generic term) gearbox some custom fabbing > would need to be done since it is a bigger box than a stock T3. And > Patrick is correct about the 5 reverses and one forward! Gonna have to > flop 'em. > > For those who don't know, the 911 tranny isn't shifted from the nose cone > like what we're used to, it's shifter is actually on the side of the tranny > (a.k.a. a side shifter), which is why the linkage would need to be > customized as well (Patrick, I can't remember, but did the earlier > gearboxes have a rear shifter or were they just a different sloppier > version of the side shifter?). Also, there is a gear driven speedometer > output from the tranny, opposite side of the shifter (VWs get speedo info > from the front left tire, 911s and 914s get it from the tranny). > Toby Erkson, air_cooled_nut@pobox.com > '72 VW Squareback 1.6L bored and stroked to 2.0L > '75 Porsche 914 1.8L > Portland, Oregon, http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/8501/ > > ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ > Subject: Re: Porsche Gearbox > Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE > Date: 10/22/97 12:28 PM > > > At 08:35 20.10.1997, Toby Erkson wrote: > > * Kennedy Engineering makes all sorts of engine/transmission adapters so the > * joining won't be your problem -- fitting the tranny between the rear seat > * and engine will be your problem as will grafting the shifter and fitting > * the linkage. > > This type of modification for Beetles has been covered in quite a few tech > articles in many VW mags. I doubt that an adapter will even be needed, as > certain 911 clutches will work for this application. The biggest problem > is probably welding in the mounting brackets. Again, I believe that it > depends on which tranmission you use: 901 or 915. > > [...] > _________________________________ > * Subject: Porsche Gearbox > * Author: type-3-errors@umich.edu at SMTPGATE > * Date: 10/18/97 1:05 PM > > * Just a quickie really, > * does anyone know whether you can fit any Porsche 911/915 > * gearboxes/transmissions(US) to the late model Type 3 with IRS rear > suspension > * as you can do in the bug ? ,and if so what do you have to do to > install theg > * g'box. > > It should very similar to doing this swap in a Beetle. Toby was also right > about the linkage. More welding will have to be done to extend the > linkage. Some type of modification is also needed so that you don't end up > with 5 reverse gears and 1 forward gear if you take the transmission out of > a 914 (901 gearbox). This is also explained in the tech articles. > > * I have read the Volksworld article in Sept 1997 issue on installing into the > * bug and wonder whether there have been any features printed on > doing the same > * with the Type 3. > * Any help/leads would be greatly appreciated. > > I doubt it. You can probably use most of the info related to doing this > into a Beetle, but in some areas, you will be on your own. > > * P.S. > * I would like to transplant the 1970cc Type 4 motor from my '80 wedge into my > * '73 fastback and would like to know what to do regards cooling > tinware/engine > * mounting bracket > > I don't know why you would want to do this, but anyway, the guy that runs > Big Boys Toys in the UK (Paul Howard) has a 1971 FB with a huge TIV engine > in it. I would ask him - BTW, his car is for sale. > > Good luck. > > Patrick