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I am told that as of Janruary 1st 1998, R-12 will be none exsistant in the US. Those of us that have a R-12 system, will have to convert to R-134A. Sounds a little expensive. -- Shawn & Lisa Albertin Air Cooled &Loving it!! 67Fastback---65Variant:) details@superior.net New York U.S.A. ---------- From: Trish & Ted Davis <volkfolk@erols.com> To: type-3@umich.edu Subject: Re: Listee's Date: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 8:34 PM I don't know if this matters, but Cadillac had put R-134A in the '97 Caddies, but it performed very poorly (remember the kind of car we're talking about here, though) so they're going back to R-12. If it works well, great.... But remember,you need higher system pressure to cool R-134A down, and I could go on for hours about what the mechanics, car owners, etc.. I meet tell me about retrofits (horror stories!), but I won't. Good luck with whatever you decide to do! -Ted :)