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>I learned Swing the first time I took a turn in the 67 Fast on a slick road >WOOOOAAAA Swing means the rear SWINGS out!!! I constantly had to remember I >wasn't driving my IRS 71! It couldn't compare to the IRS and was much less of >a desirable winter car than the IRS ones. I learned to drive in a swing-axle 1960 Corvair and my 68 type III was as roadworthy as any of my later IRS VWs. Of course there is a break loose point on any road, but I never found the IRS to be better than the swing axle. I owned one of each at the same time for about 5 years and never noticed any difference. But then I love spinning mine around in parking lots anyway. You might find that tires had a lot to do with your experience. Jim --------------------------------------------------------------------- Melissa Kepner Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org jadney@vwtype3.org Laura Kepner-Adney Madison, Wisconsin ---------------------------------------------------------------------